DevOps Speakeasy with Marcus Hellberg @marcushellberg at #Devnexus 2023

so hello hi we’re here at that Nexus at

the Speakeasy and I’m super happy to be

with Marcus helbert so Marcus hey

welcome it’s so nice to be here

almost welcomed you to your own Speak

Easy but no no

no being here

it is almost like I’ve seen this couch

here for so many years

finally I’m here yeah

no I’ve been to devnexis for

I want to say seven consecutive times

yes perfect so I’ve seen it at the old

location and I’ve seen it here and it’s

been fun to see watch it grows obviously

a little bit smaller last year but now

it’s again bigger so nice to see this

many people in one place

the thing I love about devnexis is just

that such a Community Driven event there

are so many like actual developers it’s

not just the same jaded crowd of

Architects that go to Five conferences a

year yes

technical you’re speaking with

developers that like exactly like get

hurt their their hats dirty yeah so

so you’re talking about the spring food

yeah so I work at Barton and what we do

is we essentially help companies who are

on Java back-ends build really great web

applications and for that we have two

different Frameworks one which is kind

of the classic one flow framework that a

lot of people have heard about which is

all Java and what I was talking about

today is our new framework called Hilla

which is essentially a spring boot back

end with a react front end and type safe

communication between the two so

regardless of which framework you use

you still get the same set of UI

components you get end-to-end type

safety and kind of a integrated

experience so the idea is that as you’re

developing like if you refactor

something you break something in the UI

you actually get a compile time area

even in your react code as opposed to

finding out about that later on very

later on and very more

yeah

yeah and it’s it’s also like nice like

I’m sure if you’re like familiar with

Java development you know all the

benefits of having a type language like

sure it’s nice that to catch errors but

it’s also like it allows your ID to be

so much more helpful without a complete

because it knows what your like what

methods there are what return values you

get and having all of that information

accessible right in the ID instead of

like having a different browser window

where you’re trying to see like which

URL maps to what data type and stuff it

just kind of reduces a lot of

boilerplate and stuff that you’d

normally have to do so it’s really like

with both Frameworks we’re sort of uh

just focusing on developer productivity

and making it easy to build these more

kind of complex business type

applications where you have complex

screens and lots of data and how do you

make those types of applications easy to

build

version and I also when we were

developing the front end because uh yes

I I did both Lakes where I’ll still do

both things I I mean I mean I’m a cord

of a developer yeah but I’m not afraid

to go all the places

I still identify like a travel developer

yeah

and this is like this is my community

and I love coming back here because

there’s a lot of people that I know and

and I’m very dear and they’re very dear

for me like

um I think this is a conference where

more Java Champions are and so for me

it’s it’s coming home yeah no I like the

the speaker dinners and everything are

just legendary so if you’re considering

like if you want to get into speaking

and meet like a lot of awesome Java

folks this is a great yes to get started

yeah okay I told

you uh your different components and

there there are really at that time when

I was actually doing uh either polymer

because you had the components version

too now I’m actually

what you did you build it in the newest

version uh I know that you work with

very very rich feature components that

actually we sold uh developers life is

easy yeah like out of the box

that is

yeah no I mean we were really early on

with web components back in the day and

it’s been nice to see those now being

picked up in all the browsers and that

was a like it was a painful transition

for us to like redo that full Rich set

of components but now that we have them

as web components like when we added

support for react that was that was

quite easy because we can still use the

same components we just added a tiny

little income like compatibility layer

there which just tells jsx how to

interact with them and for most modern

Frameworks besides react you don’t even

need that you can just straight up use

them in angular view as they are which

is great because now if a new framework

comes out we don’t need to redo our

components and that’s not really like

productive work to redoing the same work

all over the time so yeah I

UI

interfaces like what swing job effects

and everything like that in the Java

world it was very very stable we didn’t

have as many options in the JavaScript

and one of the complaints was that they

changed so fast that you have to like

update everything every three years

yeah but I I think they have reached we

have reached a state of security now as

you said for sure now is we have really

nice

to learn what we are

we are targeting it’s only

yeah and that that allows us again as

developers to focus more of our actual

time and effort on building what’s

interesting which is like delivering

user value exactly exactly like yeah so

it’s like any time you spend on like

trying to get a data grid to work in

some browser combination like that’s

time away from you spending time on

building actual user features and making

your end users lives better so so that’s

what we try to like make like we try to

automate as much of that work as

possible so you can focus more on the

like actually meaningful and fun part of

development yes

yes yeah and

how do you feel about coming back to

face-to-face events I mean this is not

the first step next to face to face

after coming but yes it’s I think this

is the first time when I feel like we

are back to sleep yeah last year was a

little like everyone was a little on

edge like I don’t know it’s like it’s

like let’s see what happens and this

year definitely like it feels a lot more

like Dev Nexus like before the pandemic

where it’s a lot more relaxed laid back

and it’s just and I’ve talked to a lot

of people who are now at their first

event like post pandemic and they’ve

they’re really enjoying just that

face-to-face interaction just getting to

talk to developers and I mean to me at

least like that’s what I really enjoy

about conferences like I can go on

online like webinar and do my talk but I

don’t get to speak to developers

afterwards and have those conversations

with folks in the hallway and that’s

really where

I don’t know but uh sometimes I don’t

get the at the question asked a decision

but after they see you they stop you

they’re like I have this question yeah

yeah and then you can open up your

laptop and explore it together and it’s

like it’s so fun to be able to do that

yeah I have seen them and I’m like yes

this is this is what makes this kind of

women yeah so worth it yeah and it’s fun

like you pick up just like small ideas

from people and then in your brain you

connect that with something else and you

get like an entirely new idea and you’re

like yes I’m gonna go and build that now

and it’s like you get exposed to so many

things that are just outside of that

narrow thing that you’re working on

normally and that’s something I really

appreciate too with just coming to

events is just getting a much wider

perspective on what not just what we’re

doing but what’s everyone in the

ecosystem doing and

but

need to this

yeah exactly so yeah yeah I love it yeah

so tldr we like conferences

[Laughter]

okay well thank you very much any final

thoughts for our audience no well I mean

if anyone is here and you want to come

and talk to us we are at we have a booth

over there we have these t-shirts and if

you’re not here you can hit us or hit me

up on Marcus Helberg on the screen yeah

thank you so much for having me thanks